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		<title>By: Nancy Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 16:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am disenchanted with J.V. after reading this.  I read Zero limits and passed along the 
Ho&#039;Oponopono message to many people. I was and still am enchanted by the concept.  It has worked well
for me and many of my friends. I was excited to watch the &quot;Beyond&quot; webinar by Mark when a friend told me about it. We all need to H&#039;po for Joe because it sounds like he has gotten very greedy. Does he not believe that the Universe has enough for everyone? It&#039;s UNLIMITED Joe so lighten up and practice what you preach!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am disenchanted with J.V. after reading this.  I read Zero limits and passed along the<br />
Ho&#8217;Oponopono message to many people. I was and still am enchanted by the concept.  It has worked well<br />
for me and many of my friends. I was excited to watch the &#8220;Beyond&#8221; webinar by Mark when a friend told me about it. We all need to H&#8217;po for Joe because it sounds like he has gotten very greedy. Does he not believe that the Universe has enough for everyone? It&#8217;s UNLIMITED Joe so lighten up and practice what you preach!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear All, Mark &amp; Joe,

In the true spirit of Ho’Oponopono, I suggest you both use it for your personal grievances, for my part I can use it on your behalf, hope that peace and understanding will surround you both.

in light &amp; love,
Meg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear All, Mark &amp; Joe,</p>
<p>In the true spirit of Ho’Oponopono, I suggest you both use it for your personal grievances, for my part I can use it on your behalf, hope that peace and understanding will surround you both.</p>
<p>in light &amp; love,<br />
Meg</p>
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		<title>By: Aymee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aymee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 13:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Morning EVERYONE!

I just wanted to take a moment, to express my deep gratitude  for  EVERYONE that has posted something here, and especially to my friends Kathy and Mark, for providing an opening  for us to do this.

I LOVE what I have been feeling here for the past few days, we started with one conversation, that began with a bit of turmoil, and have all taken it to another level with the Gulf cleaning intention.

In my humble opinion, this is what trying to walk down the spiritual path is all about.. Growth, evolution not necessarily perfection.

I have done much self reflection these past few days, and I am grateful to have peeled back another layer. to have discovered that being authentic, may not be popular, yet is the ONLY option.

Anyway, pardon the rant.. This was all about me saying THANK YOU! i am grateful!

Love,
Aymee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Morning EVERYONE!</p>
<p>I just wanted to take a moment, to express my deep gratitude  for  EVERYONE that has posted something here, and especially to my friends Kathy and Mark, for providing an opening  for us to do this.</p>
<p>I LOVE what I have been feeling here for the past few days, we started with one conversation, that began with a bit of turmoil, and have all taken it to another level with the Gulf cleaning intention.</p>
<p>In my humble opinion, this is what trying to walk down the spiritual path is all about.. Growth, evolution not necessarily perfection.</p>
<p>I have done much self reflection these past few days, and I am grateful to have peeled back another layer. to have discovered that being authentic, may not be popular, yet is the ONLY option.</p>
<p>Anyway, pardon the rant.. This was all about me saying THANK YOU! i am grateful!</p>
<p>Love,<br />
Aymee</p>
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		<title>By: RevRonRants</title>
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		<dc:creator>RevRonRants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 15:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George -

Certainly, one should attempt to focus their energy and efforts upon all that is positive. However, we should also remember that Siddhartha was raised in an environment where no negativity was allowed, and was only able to achieve his awakening into Buddhahood after gazing into the face of anguish that is such a significant part of the human experience.

By insisting that we look only at that which we perceive to be &quot;positive,&quot; we are allowing our sensual nature to confine our human experience. Such an approach might be more gratifying and pleasurable than facing the suffering of the world, but if we were pure spirit, freed completely from that suffering, we wouldn&#039;t be here in human form.

Before the beginning, the single hunger, and the only aspect missing from Spirit was FORM. BEING hungered for be-ing, and thus decided to BE. IMO, we must observe and devour our humanity if we are to fulfill the aspirations of Spirit that brought us here. Before we can turn aside from building our actions and thoughts upon the illusion, we must first know it and acknowledge its hold upon us. And until we face  and release as mere distractions those things that seem to separate us from Spirit, we will not complete our journey, and the aspirations of the Divine will go unfulfilled.

At least, that&#039;s how I see it. I might be wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George -</p>
<p>Certainly, one should attempt to focus their energy and efforts upon all that is positive. However, we should also remember that Siddhartha was raised in an environment where no negativity was allowed, and was only able to achieve his awakening into Buddhahood after gazing into the face of anguish that is such a significant part of the human experience.</p>
<p>By insisting that we look only at that which we perceive to be &#8220;positive,&#8221; we are allowing our sensual nature to confine our human experience. Such an approach might be more gratifying and pleasurable than facing the suffering of the world, but if we were pure spirit, freed completely from that suffering, we wouldn&#8217;t be here in human form.</p>
<p>Before the beginning, the single hunger, and the only aspect missing from Spirit was FORM. BEING hungered for be-ing, and thus decided to BE. IMO, we must observe and devour our humanity if we are to fulfill the aspirations of Spirit that brought us here. Before we can turn aside from building our actions and thoughts upon the illusion, we must first know it and acknowledge its hold upon us. And until we face  and release as mere distractions those things that seem to separate us from Spirit, we will not complete our journey, and the aspirations of the Divine will go unfulfilled.</p>
<p>At least, that&#8217;s how I see it. I might be wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 02:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>peace bro</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>peace bro</p>
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		<title>By: RevRonRants</title>
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		<dc:creator>RevRonRants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 01:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the compliment, Aymee... but you probably need to get out more! :-)

Namaste 

( BTW - I really do appreciate your feedback. If I didn&#039;t, I would&#039;ve written &quot;Blessings&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the compliment, Aymee&#8230; but you probably need to get out more! <img src='http://www.markjryan.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Namaste </p>
<p>( BTW &#8211; I really do appreciate your feedback. If I didn&#8217;t, I would&#8217;ve written &#8220;Blessings&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 20:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was reading these comments while listening to Portishead&#039;s &#039;Strangers&#039; and the lyrics seemed an apt description of Mark and Joe&#039;s relationship....

Strangers by Portishead
Ohh........
Can anybody see the light
Where the morn meets the dew and the tide rises
Did you realise, no one can see inside your view
Did you realise, for why this sight belongs to you

Ohh........
Just set aside your fears of life
Thru this sole desire

Done it warning
Done it now
This ain&#039;t real
On in this side

Done it warning
Done it now
This ain&#039;t real
On in this side</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reading these comments while listening to Portishead&#8217;s &#8216;Strangers&#8217; and the lyrics seemed an apt description of Mark and Joe&#8217;s relationship&#8230;.</p>
<p>Strangers by Portishead<br />
Ohh&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
Can anybody see the light<br />
Where the morn meets the dew and the tide rises<br />
Did you realise, no one can see inside your view<br />
Did you realise, for why this sight belongs to you</p>
<p>Ohh&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
Just set aside your fears of life<br />
Thru this sole desire</p>
<p>Done it warning<br />
Done it now<br />
This ain&#8217;t real<br />
On in this side</p>
<p>Done it warning<br />
Done it now<br />
This ain&#8217;t real<br />
On in this side</p>
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		<title>By: Aymee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aymee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 18:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! REvron,
That must be one of the most eloquently written statements I have EVER read!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! REvron,<br />
That must be one of the most eloquently written statements I have EVER read!</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. If anything, I am grateful beyond measure that Joe did say those inaccurate things and motivated me and Mark to speak out our opinions. It has allowed us all to grow in knowledge, understanding, love and healing. Seriously. I feel lighter, cleaner, and better about Mark&#039;s work and the relationship with Joe than I ever have. 

Funny, Mark and I thought we were doing really good and were getting clearer by the moment... and then this happens and Spirit shows us what we don&#039;t know... lol, that we can get a lot clearer and cleaner. 

Just goes to show you that what Mark says -- IT&#039;S ALL PROCESS, that we&#039;re all works in progress -- is entirely true. 

So thank you to everyone, thank you JOE! and thank you Divine Spirit for showing me what I did not know! 

I love you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. If anything, I am grateful beyond measure that Joe did say those inaccurate things and motivated me and Mark to speak out our opinions. It has allowed us all to grow in knowledge, understanding, love and healing. Seriously. I feel lighter, cleaner, and better about Mark&#8217;s work and the relationship with Joe than I ever have. </p>
<p>Funny, Mark and I thought we were doing really good and were getting clearer by the moment&#8230; and then this happens and Spirit shows us what we don&#8217;t know&#8230; lol, that we can get a lot clearer and cleaner. </p>
<p>Just goes to show you that what Mark says &#8212; IT&#8217;S ALL PROCESS, that we&#8217;re all works in progress &#8212; is entirely true. </p>
<p>So thank you to everyone, thank you JOE! and thank you Divine Spirit for showing me what I did not know! </p>
<p>I love you.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Ron, thanks for your observations and providing an opportunity to respond. 

I personally don&#039;t feel that Joe&#039;s message is anything to get heated up about. He has a right to say what he wants, and at least he acquiesces enough to say *gasp* that there are other good teachers out there, which is contradictory to his original email. Or maybe he just forgot to include that. Funny, I assumed &quot;stick with the original source of Zero Limits&quot; following the warning that Dr. Len said there would be &quot;others out there&quot;.... blah blah... well, I kinda assumed that it meant exactly what Joe said. 

Here&#039;s the real deal though. If you go to that wikipedia article about ho&#039;oponopono where they talk about the practice, define it, and it&#039;s Polynesian antecedents, the crux of the practice is GETTING SECRETS OUT IN THE OPEN. In Vanatu, people believe that secrecy creates illness. The purpose of ho&#039;oponopono is to cut the cords so that people can re-attach clear and clean.

I personally believe that bringing this to light, sending it love, requesting that others do the same, is probably the most unconditionally loving thing that Mark could do. Unconditional because he has to completely let go of outcome... no conditions, just &quot;let&#039;s get beyond this.&quot; And if it means they go their separate ways, then that&#039;s what they do. But at least Joe won&#039;t try to strike out at Mark when Mark is just trying to teach what he knows like he did Sunday if they&#039;re both clear, right?

I am not blaming Joe for anything. His words didn&#039;t DO anything to me. Or Mark. How can I blame him for an action that did nothing?

I am not criticism him personally; I don&#039;t believe in personal attacks. It&#039;s more important to me to discuss issues and actions. I thought it was a low, inaccurate and unfair statement to say that people should &quot;stick with the original source of Zero Limits&quot; a few days after Mark launches his product. And that was my beef. Period. And that&#039;s what I kept my entry focused on.

I wish Joe well. There&#039;s room for his message. I hope he keeps communicating it. But for him to say there isn&#039;t room for anyone other than the original source of the Zero Limits message (which he apparently is now recanting), that just doesn&#039;t have any validity whatsoever. And I felt the need to say that. 

That, of course, like most other things I and others have said here is my opinion, and others are entitled to their opinion. 

And, that will probably be the last I say about what Joe wrote this morning. his post still does not get to the heart of the matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ron, thanks for your observations and providing an opportunity to respond. </p>
<p>I personally don&#8217;t feel that Joe&#8217;s message is anything to get heated up about. He has a right to say what he wants, and at least he acquiesces enough to say *gasp* that there are other good teachers out there, which is contradictory to his original email. Or maybe he just forgot to include that. Funny, I assumed &#8220;stick with the original source of Zero Limits&#8221; following the warning that Dr. Len said there would be &#8220;others out there&#8221;&#8230;. blah blah&#8230; well, I kinda assumed that it meant exactly what Joe said. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the real deal though. If you go to that wikipedia article about ho&#8217;oponopono where they talk about the practice, define it, and it&#8217;s Polynesian antecedents, the crux of the practice is GETTING SECRETS OUT IN THE OPEN. In Vanatu, people believe that secrecy creates illness. The purpose of ho&#8217;oponopono is to cut the cords so that people can re-attach clear and clean.</p>
<p>I personally believe that bringing this to light, sending it love, requesting that others do the same, is probably the most unconditionally loving thing that Mark could do. Unconditional because he has to completely let go of outcome&#8230; no conditions, just &#8220;let&#8217;s get beyond this.&#8221; And if it means they go their separate ways, then that&#8217;s what they do. But at least Joe won&#8217;t try to strike out at Mark when Mark is just trying to teach what he knows like he did Sunday if they&#8217;re both clear, right?</p>
<p>I am not blaming Joe for anything. His words didn&#8217;t DO anything to me. Or Mark. How can I blame him for an action that did nothing?</p>
<p>I am not criticism him personally; I don&#8217;t believe in personal attacks. It&#8217;s more important to me to discuss issues and actions. I thought it was a low, inaccurate and unfair statement to say that people should &#8220;stick with the original source of Zero Limits&#8221; a few days after Mark launches his product. And that was my beef. Period. And that&#8217;s what I kept my entry focused on.</p>
<p>I wish Joe well. There&#8217;s room for his message. I hope he keeps communicating it. But for him to say there isn&#8217;t room for anyone other than the original source of the Zero Limits message (which he apparently is now recanting), that just doesn&#8217;t have any validity whatsoever. And I felt the need to say that. </p>
<p>That, of course, like most other things I and others have said here is my opinion, and others are entitled to their opinion. </p>
<p>And, that will probably be the last I say about what Joe wrote this morning. his post still does not get to the heart of the matter.</p>
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